Seeking God’s Plan (Part IV)

Posted by Roberta Grimes • May 01, 2021 • 36 Comments
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A mighty fortress is our God, a bulwark never failing.
Our Helper He, amid the flood of mortal ills prevailing.
For still our ancient foe doth seek to work us woe!
His craft and power are great, and, armed with cruel hate,
On earth is not his equal.
– Martin Luther (1483-1546) from “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” (1529)

The first modern people date to about two hundred thousand years ago. And that is astoundingly recent! The whole of our human existence on earth is just a hundred times the number of years that have passed since Jesus was born. And for nearly all that time we have been spiritual infants and toddlers, born repeatedly and dying soon, probably learning little in each lifetime as we struggled just to survive.  But even with that, it isn’t accurate to say that the Godhead was ignoring our worship of the often-barbaric Gods that we kept creating in our own image. God’s relationship with each individual always has been intimate. Every human being ever born has had a primary spirit guide whose role was to act internally and help that person to grow spiritually; and through those primary guides we always have been directly connected with the Godhead. In any event, the most basic spiritual lessons likely were better learned without God’s even hinting while we still were spiritual babies that eventually we were going to be trying to earn our spiritual Ph.D.s!

And of course, here again we should mention that pesky concept of time. The Godhead appears to be so disconnected from time that we cannot entirely imagine the divine perspective, no matter how we try. For example, we are told that all our earth-lives are happening at once, which means that from every earliest human life lived 200,000 years ago and right on through every far-future final necessary lifetime of every being who incarnates primarily on this planet, everything is happening right now. Clearly, we who are currently limited to just our earth-minds cannot begin to imagine the Godhead’s no-time perspective! So for now, we will make our learning a little easier by taking the matter-based position that time and our earth-lives are as perfectly linear as they seem to us to be.

The Jews of the Christian Old Testament have left us a wonderful history of some of God’s earliest attempts to spiritually awaken humankind. The Godhead likely first revealed Itself in many places on earth at around the same time. Here is how it happened for the Jewish prophet Moses in about 1500 BC: The angel of the Lord appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed. So Moses said, “I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up.”  When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” Then He said, “Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground.” He said also, “I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God (Exodus 3:2-6). What Moses had that day was an experience of light, which is a powerful tool the Godhead can use to grab our attention. The same thing happened to the Apostle Paul when Jesus recruited him (Acts 9:1-9); and it also happened to me when I was eight. Go figure.

The Old Testament reads like a fear-based history shot through with cruelty and pain. There is in it, though, a consistent strain of prophets who claimed to be speaking for God.  With everything we have learned about how things work, we know that these prophets were recruited before birth, and their life-plans would have included doing this work for the Godhead. But they always had the free-will right to refuse the task at any point! I was assured by Thomas after I had tried to refuse to write Liberating Jesus that if I had not finally yielded, others were in line to take my place. There are roughly sixteen Old Testament prophets, although the count can differ depending on whether a few borderline figures are included. The prophetic period of Jewish history extends from 1450 BC until a century or so before the birth of Jesus, and for our purposes there are six main themes. Here they are, each  with an example of what the prophets claimed that God was saying to us:

  • There is one eternal and all-powerful God. Notions like spiritual growth and a Collective of Perfected Beings were beyond what any Bronze Age primitive could have comprehended, so the Godhead kept it simple. For example, Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me’ (Isaiah 44:6).
  • It is time for us to know the genuine God. For almost two hundred thousands years we had made and worshipped our own false gods, but it was time at last for us to begin a closer relationship with the genuine Godhead.  “The Lord was very angry with your fathers. Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Return to Me,” declares the Lord of hosts, “that I may return to you,” says the Lord of hosts” (Zechariah 1:2-3).
  • God is angry. Since anger is a low-vibration emotion and the Godhead is at the highest vibration, it is probably impossible for God to actually be angry; but for the prophets to say that God was angry put the situation in terms that people could understand. The prophet Ezekiel said, “They will fling their silver into the streets and their gold will become an abhorrent thing; their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord” (Ezekiel 7:19).
  • God is jealous. God wasn’t actually jealous, since after all God has all the power! But here again, jealousy is a human analogy to describe God’s feelings when we worship other gods. “All the earth will be devoured in the fire of His jealousy” (Zephaniah 1:18).
  • God is heartily sick of our ritual worship. Jesus will later use this passage from Isaiah to call for an end to religious rituals, and arguably for an end to religions altogether. “Bring your worthless offerings no longer. Incense is an abomination to Me. New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly. I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts, They have become a burden to Me; I am weary of bearing them” (Isaiah 1:13-14).
  • There will be a New Covenant. Those early Jews were promised a new and more direct relationship with the genuine Godhead. For example, “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah” (Jeremiah 31:31).

The greatest of the Old Testament prophets also gave us some hint of what life will be like when at last the kingdom of God arrives on earth. Here is my favorite passage in the entire Old Testament:

“And the wolf will dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard will lie down with the young goat,
And the calf and the young lion and the fatling together;
And a little boy will lead them.
Also the cow and the bear will graze,
Their young will lie down together,
And the lion will eat straw like the ox.
The nursing child will play by the hole of the cobra,
And the weaned child will put his hand on the viper’s den.
They will not hurt or destroy in all My holy mountain,
For the earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
As the waters cover the sea”
(Isaiah 11:6-9).

Isaiah also gave us a prediction of the coming miraculous birth of Jesus as God on earth:

“For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; and the government will rest on His shoulders; and His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness from then on and forevermore. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will accomplish this” (Isaiah 9:6-7).

And there was one prophet who foretold the next stage of humankind’s relationship with God by giving us an early version of the message of Jesus. What God wants from us is nothing more than just those last few lines:

With what shall I come to the Lord
And bow myself before the God on high?
Shall I come to Him with burnt offerings,
With yearling calves?
Does the Lord take delight in thousands of rams,
In ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I present my firstborn for my rebellious acts,
The fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
He has told you, O man, what is good;
And what does the Lord require of you
But to do justice, to love kindness,
And to walk humbly with your God?
(Micah 6:6-9).

Less than four thousand years ago the Godhead at last began to educate us. After having lived the first 200,000 years of humanity’s existence in superstitious fear of our human-made gods, at last we were past our toddlerhood and ready to enter spiritual kindergarten! And in order to make sure we would have the best start, an aspect of the Godhead descended in person and became our divine Teacher….


And though this world with devils filled should threaten to undo us,
We will not fear, for God hath willed His truth to triumph through us.
The Prince of Darkness grim, we tremble not for him!
His rage we can endure, for lo, his doom is sure.
One little word shall fell him.
– Martin Luther (1483-1546) from “A Mighty Fortress is Our God” (1529)


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36 thoughts on “Seeking God’s Plan (Part IV)

  1. Hi Roberta, hi everybody! This analysis zeros in on what for me has been one of my own fundamental issues with what we call the Old Testament. The very fact that we call it “old” implies that maybe we should not pay much attention to it, if we are turning toward the “new.”

    As I have stated before, I am no scholar, but it seems to me the main reason it is part if the bible is so we can say, “ whew! Glad Jesus came along and supplanted THAT!” But here we have a focus on many wise and enlightened souls whose mission was, not to warn us but to introduce us to God—for the first time!

    It is odd to me that in bible study most spend time on the more or less militaristic history of the emergence of the Israelites, as if that were the major message from God.

    1. Dear Mike, for a long time I felt as you did about the Old Testament! I would tell people that Jesus had explicitly replaced it with God’s Law of Love so it can’t be used to modify anything He said; and its old patriarchal prohibition on homosexuality and its insistence that we must do awful things like stone lazy children and impure brides to death shouldn’t be anywhere near the Lord’s pure teachings. So get some scissors and cut the whole thing out of the Bible!

      But in fact, the Old Testament is a priceless account of a very important stage of the Godhead’s interactions with humankind. Those prophets were genuine messengers from God. They were calling us, once we were ready to listen! And the fact that we have so much of that history preserved looks to me now to be a genuine miracle.

  2. Hello Roberta,
    Thank you for this important, meaningful post. The Old Testament as stated in “Cliff Notes” is finally understandable. As a Jew I have never understood the relevance of the many rituals and human feelings that God is purported to feel. I always felt like I was a “bad” Jew. The portion on how God does not value rituals (because they are man-made, I assume) is a relief to read. I truly enjoyed your favorite part of the Old Testament. Very moving!

    Thank you for enlightening me!

    1. Hi Nan Miller, Dear Roberta, and everyone. So many of us here are non conformist to the dogma of our inherited religions. So glad you’re here.

      1. Dear Ray, I know what you mean. I hear from people every day. Most of them are disaffected Christians who still love Jesus: you have no idea how many people there are who wish they could keep Jesus but ditch everything else about Christianity! And it turns out that once they get rid of the Christianity that was started by the third-century Romans, and they simply love and trust the Lord, their genuine spiritual life becomes possible and they are very happy indeed! It’s very difficult for them, though, since they have a lot of fear ingrained from childhood and they have to conquer that. But what a joy it is to watch people blossom in the Godhead’s light, even in their old age!

    2. Dear Nan, thank you so much for saying this! I have a warm place in my heart for the Jewish people and their whole history and where they are today, and one thing that worries me sometime is the thought that they might think I might be disrespecting them or their religion. (I disrespect Christianity as well, I guess. I’m an equal-opportunity religion-disparager!)

      The Jewish people were indeed chosen by God. Something similar might have happened in other places on earth during those same 1500 years, since apparently the fact that people have free will means that the Godhead uses deep redundancy whenever there is anything important to be done. People don’t consciously remember what they came to do – or why – so if they won’t accept their spirit guides’ internal guidance, the Godhead needs to be ready with a replacement! But even if it did happen elsewhere that emissaries from God began to reach out and introduce to humankind the genuine Godhead, it was only the Jewish people who kept a record of those contacts.

      (Or… it could have happened everywhere but it is only in the area of Samaria and Judea that the Godhead has chosen to make the ever-changing past now shows those contacts. We have no way to tell the difference, since all that exists is Now so actually there is no difference.)

      I am so glad that you enjoyed this, dear Nan!

  3. Dearest Roberta,
    I smiled when I saw your presentation of Divine revelation to Moses at the burning bush. Truly, how like your own experience of light when you were a girl. This Biblical revelation must have a particularly deep resonance for you. And all this is beautiful as it shows how personal God can be; how He reaches out to each of us individually, even intimately.

    Set against the grand drama of Exodus the Godhead speaks so closely to Moses. It just reminds me that each of us has, and will have, our intimate revelations and experiences – so beautifully arranged by our Guides in Spirit – that encourages us to ‘walk with God’ as Micah says.

    And we have discernment placed inside us, which shows us the real Godhead from the human made jealous and angry god sketched in the scriptures of three millennia ago. It allows us to see glimpses of the real Spirit Divine who just loves us. These glimpses sparkle, like diamonds on the dusty floor of the Old Testament.

    Thank you for this resonant post that brings back to me, that I am most fortunate to be here on Earth when the true Godhead can at last be understood in these modern times.

    1. Dear Efrem, I also feel stunned and grateful to know how blessed we are to live at a time when these glorious new truths are being revealed! All of this makes me very aware, though, of how completely rigged is this game. If the Godhead didn’t want us to suspect anything, then we wouldn’t have any reason to suspect anything; and if the Godhead wanted us to know it all at once, then our past would show an entirely different history and we would indeed have known it all long-since.

      The Godhead doesn’t make mistakes! Or if It did, then that mistake would be corrected in the next micro-instant of freshly-created past so we would never know about it. All of which means that even though I have long thought that Christianity has misunderstood Jesus and it must be what amounts to a 2000-year detour, everything that has happened in the history of our relationship with the Godhead is just what the Godhead intends. It still seems hard to understand the reasons, but that everything is the Godhead’s will must be true!

      1. God does not make mistakes, it’s true; God creates—past, present and future and all other verb tenses available in the wretchedly insufficient language we are stuck with.

        The nature if Creating is that Creation and Creator are the same. Creating is experimenting and experimenting means changing. God doesn’t make mistakes but is constantly changing Creation. ♐️

        1. Dear Mike, I think that’s true. But actually, what strikes me most as we keep learning more about creation and the Godhead’s workings is how extraordinarily gentle and respectful the entire process is to every individual one of us. How utterly different it is from the gods that human beings have invented! Thomas has led me through figuring it out in pieces, over years of time, so it really is only now that it is beginning to strike me in its beautiful totality.

          There is no sin. There is no hell. There is no judgment. There is nothing but perfect universal love and care eternally, for each of us, as if each of us were all of us. Omigod, how extraordinary is the totality of God’s love for us!!

  4. When I became aware of Roberta, her blog, podcasts, books and You -Tubes, it opened my eyes to how blind I had been to taking the Bible at face value for most of my life. I studied it daily for 35 years. I’m grateful that I have woken up but also grateful that there is still alot of the old testament that has taught me alot. ( ie. The passages of Moses and the many things the profits said). Thanks Roberta, for writing this post and helping me not be so negitive about the old testament. Dave

    1. Oh my dear Dave, I have so much enjoyed watching you learn and grow and blossom! I think it is those of us who have taken Christianity the most seriously who are most bowled over and then overjoyed as we begin to glimpse the larger picture. What is in the Bible is such a gift to us! But it is not an “Inspired Word of God” sort of gift that we can just blindly follow and we’ll have our get-out-of-hell-free card. No, instead it is the much greater gift of the truth at last about reality and the Godhead, and a very much closer walk with Jesus!

  5. Quote from above: “What Moses had that day was an experience of light, which is a powerful tool the Godhead can use to grab our attention. The same thing happened to the Apostle Paul when Jesus recruited him (Acts 9:1-9)…”

    Ezekiel, and probably others but I haven’t read thoroughly, has a similar experience. There is a lengthy account in the opening chapter, too long to quote here, but my favorite excerpt in part is 1:20-21: “When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved…Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.”

    1. Dear Mike, there are some passages in the Bible that read to me as if someone was high on something, and that is one of them! I have come to believe that some of these were accounts of alien visits. Their ships, for example, are often discs. But, who knows?

        1. They are saying now, too, that the visions of the virgin at Fatima may have been extraterrestrials. There were what looked like ships above, and the people who watched found the whole thing terrifying. I have always found the messages to be too preachy-churchy to be probably genuine, and the fact that only the children could see the virgin. The fact that one of them said she was tiny – as an alien might be. I had come to think the children had made up the visions, perhaps to get attention; but there likely was some extraordinary phenomenon in there somewhere to create all the fuss. And alien ships would be just the ticket!

  6. You are absolutely right, Roberta. That’s why they appeared to children instead of adults. I don’t know what their agenda was, but they don’t come around any more because most of us are too sophisticated to fall for this nonsense, For instance, seeing the “Blessed Virgin Mary” with yellow roses at her feet, which is what was seen at Lourdes by a young girl in France by the name of Bernadette Soubiroux, is utterly ridiculous. All it did was scare these people. I also think that Ezekiel saw what we would call a UFO, but he could only interpret it from a very primitive viewpoint.

    1. Dear Lola, extraterrestrials are all over the Bible, and those are only the appearances that made it into the Biblical record! Having no concept of the notion of interplanetary travelers, the only way human beings could interpret these visitations until very recently was from a religious viewpoint.

      But in fact, interplanetary travelers are still here! We are told by beings not now in bodies that a very advanced race of perfected beings (called by them “Arcturians”) are now the guardians of this planet, protecting us from negative entities who would otherwise be trying to provoke us to fear so they can feed on our abundant negative energy. Arcturians walk among us (somewhat clumsily) in human disguise; their gigantic triangular motherships surround this planet, but generally “cloaked” (their term) so we seldom see them; and their little transports are so quick that they also are seldom seen.

      I have never set out to research UFO phenomena, but I have happened upon enough evidence in my travels to be convinced now that they are real and their presence should comfort us since those that are highly developed spiritually are in charge and they are yet more of the Godhead’s minions. I have written about them here. And for those who may have thought the Fatima and Lourdes phenomena were genuine visits from Mother Mary, here is a very recent article on the topic.

      1. I didn’t mean that interplanetary visitors were not here any more – in fact, they are all over the place. I apologize for being so unclear. It did sound like I meant that these beings are no longer here. I meant that the Virgin Mary sightings and visitations don’t seem to be happening any more. I no longer hear about any Virgin Mary apparitions. The most recent was in Medjugorie (Bosnia) in 1981 when she supposedly warned us of a coming great catastrophe that could only be avoided by partaking in prayer, penance and fasting. This is all very strange

        1. It is strange indeed! Apparently there are many other planets where members of our consciousness can choose to incarnate, and this planet is the roughest of them but also the one on which spiritual growth can be quickest. So we who make this our primary place of incarnation are more or less the the Marines of the universe, the toughest dudes around!

          1. We are either the toughest or the craziest – it depends on one’s perspective. Meanwhile, I’m still trying to figure out how fasting can change the course of an upcoming catastrophe.

  7. They definitely are mentioned all over the bible, but were interpreted by the ancient people only from their frame of reference, which was a supernatural one. One has to wonder how Ezekiel would describe his “vision” if he saw it today instead of thousands of years ago. To me,, it sounds like some type of vehicle rather than a sign from God. If the Arcturians are here to protect us, they have a good reason for doing so, as not all aliens are here for our benefit. There is no doubt that the Fatima and Lourdes phenomena were orchestrated to feed on our religious beliefs and were definitely not the actual “Virgin Mary”. She was said to be holding a rosary and had roses at her feet, which to me sounds very childish (and strangely, very Catholic).

    1. Dear Lola, what I don’t really understand is why they chose to give Catholic visitations to children. It’s an odd phenomenon, and it happened over a fairly limited period of time. Very strange.

      1. Maybe the minds of children were easier to manipulate. Also, they all appeared in Catholic countries (none in countries like China or India, for instance). When the visitations occurred, onlookers noticed that the children seeing the visions appeared to be hypnotized.

        1. Dear Lola, what you are saying here implies some interesting things. It would mean that extraterrestrials:

          1) Comprehend and can mimic the intricacies of a terrestrial religion,

          2) Can use those details to create a believable illusion (well, believable by children), and

          3) Would bother to do that in order to deliver (somewhat crude and banal) messages.

          I had never considered that possibility at all! But it explains a great deal. Let’s think about it.

          Apparently our Arcturian protectors have been here for quite a while. A century or more. Also apparently a few of them have disguised themselves and studied us sufficiently to interact with us, and they do that. They are trying to help us grow spiritually how ever they can, since once our spiritual vibration is raised sufficiently we will be able to protect ourselves on our own. So for them to attempt to use their own version of a major religious figure to communicate with us makes such perfect sense!

          And the clumsy, rather banal messages also make sense. I had dismissed these phenomena as perhaps having been invented by children encouraged by credulous adults, but now I think it to be quite possible that this is what was going on.

          Thomas tells me that our guides, and everyone who isn’t in a human body and hasn’t been there for awhile, all have trouble understanding the culture, the vernacular, the mindset of being human. That was one of the reason why the Godhead incarnated in the person of Jesus, he tells me. It wasn’t just to teach and begin the next stage of human interaction with Spirit, but also – and critically – He first lived a lifetime as a human being before he began to teach so He could know how to deliver His teachings in a manner and tone that was just right. And wow, now you can see why that was necessary! Those “lost years” when some think He was traveling the world were not really lost at all, but rather He was learning who we are so deeply that He was able to speak to us as one of us.

          I don’t know if this explanation for the Virgin appearances is right, but it may well be right. Great thinking, Lola!

          1. These beings were using our religious beliefs to communicate. In those days, they were dealing with people who were part of a fear based religion and although the messages seem banal to us, they wouldn’t seem that way to the people of that day. When you said the messages were rather “churchy and preachy,” you were right, but that is what these people would have expected. Today, they are likely communicating through advanced technology – such as UFO’s etc. as we are more sophisticated now. I also agree with you about the lost years of Jesus. I feel it is very possible he was formulating a plan for future communication

            The children were entirely innocent and truthful. During the Fatima visitations, the sun was seen to “dance in the sky” by literally hundreds of people. This, of course, is impossible, and many said they saw a silver disc near the sun. Obviously, this was interpreted as some type of religious vehicle, as no one ever dreamed back then that there may be other beings in the universe let alone highly advanced ones. Also, the girl (Bernadette) who witnessed the visions at Lourdes, was so convinced she had a religious experience that she became a Catholic nun (which she had no intention of doing) and died of TB in her early thirties.

            Response from Roberta:

            My dear, all of this is part of why I think your insights may well be right. When I first researched the communications from the various Virgin apparitions, I knew they could not be genuine communications from anyone who was actually resident in the afterlife, and let alone the Mother of God Herself! So I put them out of my mind altogether. There was much more important research to be done! But your explanation is satisfying. It touches all the bases, and in my experience an explanation that does that is likely to prove to be right. Congratulations!

  8. Hi Roberta. I like what you say about seeing the old testament with fresh eyes, or “eyes that see.” This may be part of what Jesus was getting at when he said that his law of love encompassed all of the “law and the prophets.” He wasn’t necessarily saying to throw out the baby with the bathwater, but more like we can take the good parts, the love-based nuggets, leave the rest, and move on to a higher level. I think he said something to the effect that we are to fulfill the old testament and then some – to go beyond it. When I go back and look at things in the OT from the viewpoint Jesus taught and the more recent information we are getting from the other side and from more enlightened consciousness based scientific inquiry, deeper allegorical threads of meaning start to pop out. For instance, I can see the entire Torah, from the exile from the garden to Moses returning his people to the promised land as an allegory for the spiritual path into matter and then back to God. Jesus must have been able to see the jewish scripures this way too, and probably to a much deeper level than we still can. I find the way that kabbalah seeks those deeper meanings to be fascinating as well. My guides have even given me “assignments” to read sections of the old testament, such as Job and 1 Samuel. I found it strange, but it is fascinating to take a deeper look.

    When you talked about how Thomas has been leading you step by step over years, I got the impression that this is what spirit does for all of us, both on an individual and collective level, like a game or treasure hunt, following the trail of breadcrumbs. It’s almost like a video game where all the possibilities are programed in, but we get to explore it bit by bit l, each at our own pace, and it keeps adapting to our needs, moment by moment.

    If the Arcturians, et al are here, I wonder how far along this spiritual path they are, and it is very intriguing to wonder how many of the ancient legends, “divine revelations,” and visitations found in spiritual traditions worldwide actually represent teachings from non-human intelligence. Your mention of how the children at Fatima said the “lady” was tiny, which I had never heard before, really jumped out because at times my guides are talking about a similar “lady” perhaps related to one of the Marys of the new testament, and I found it odd that they said, “She’s tiny.” A medium I had a reading with said my guides were making a reference to Mary Pickford, who it turns out was very short or tiny, and my guides keep associating this “lady” and her “family” with the color blue. I don’t know what to make of it all, but It does make me wonder if some of our spiritual guides might come from further “up there” than we realize. 🙄

    1. Dear Scott, I always enjoy reading your musings! It is clear in your case, and in the case of others here, that your guides are working with you deeply, since a lot of what is said here each week is smoke from blazing internal fires.

      It is our present understanding that everyone’s primary spirit guide has achieved a level sufficiently high to no longer need to incarnate in order to achieve further spiritual growth. Now they are able to grow just from guiding others, which also apparently is a stage that they will outgrow. Based on bits of evidence and on things that Thomas has said, our guides are generally at what we might call the upper fifth level of spiritual development. So they are all “up there,” my dear Scott, as you say!

  9. I wondered about that too, Scott, No one wants to be called primitive, but compared to a highly advanced intelligence, that is exactly what we would be, and we would have no way to discern one from the other. I think that once a highly advanced state is reached, there is no further need for a home base (like earth or some other planet), and they are now part of the cosmos, making them seem even more to have what we would call a spiritual nature

    1. Dear Lola, one of the things we are learning is that what you and I would call “a highly advanced intelligence” is not necessarily an indication of spiritual elevation, and finding that to be true has been an interesting revelation. Mikey Morgan had achieved the sixth level spiritually before he entered his Mikey body, but he was only an “okay” student. As I have discussed him with Carol, though, she has described the general characteristics of very advanced people spiritually. Part of the reason why I love what I do is that I keep finding over and over again that the laws of spiritual physics seem to be as clear and immutable as the law of gravity!

      And since you have mentioned the Arcturians, we are told that the planet where the Arcturians achieved their spiritual growth (presumably it orbits the star Arcturus) is now devoid of intelligent beings sharing our consciousness, since they have by now all graduated!

      1. Oh wow, how interesting. It points to the possibility that planets etc. might be thought of as “schools” (this is often referred to as “earth school”), and the Arcturians are now able to go anywhere they want to, and just be part of the cosmos in ways it would be hard for us to understand.

        I don’t think Mikey was meant to be an “academic achiever” in his recent lifetime. He was a sweet kid and liked by everyone. His answers through Carol are right on target, though, so something is definitely going on and it is not her subconscious mind, as she admits many times that she doesn’t always know what he is talking about.

        1. Dear Lola, I believe the term “Earth School” originated with our wonderful friend, Craig Hogan. He calls life on earth a spiritual school; I call it a spiritual gym. Both terms mean the same thing!

          And in fact, each of us who has achieved even a minimal level of spiritual elevation can pretty much go anywhere in the gigantic astral; we just can’t go above our own vibratory level, and eternal life is even more wonderful the higher you go, which is why we keep coming back and trying for ever more spiritual growth.

          Where the Arcturians are concerned, apparently each planet where Consciousness learns and grows has its own afterlife area as part of the shared astral plane, and reportedly the Arcturians in their own afterlife place took pity on us here (since we all mingle in the astral, they knew of our plight), so they decided to make raising the vibrations of this planet their special charity. There is no time there, so no telling how long it has been going on, but reportedly their efforts at protecting us have been quite effective!

  10. True. I’ve heard about Arcturians quite a long time ago, so am not at all surprised that they know about our problems here. I also believe as you do that an afterlife exists for every inhabited planet where consciousness is learning. Out of body travelers like Cyrus Kirkpatrick and Jurgen Ziewe have even found astral components of cities like London and Los Angeles, and this was corroborated by Suzanne Wilson, a famous medium. It is all truly mind boggling

    If Craig Hogan was the originator of “Earth School,” he made a good choice of words, but that’s not surprising considering the source. He truly is a dynamic person.

    1. My dear, I have just spoken with Craig. He is always sweetly optimistic about this work that we all are doing together, but today he seemed positively ebullient. Which makes me glad!

      If you want a funny story about the astral, it is reported that the asteroid belt was once an advanced and beautiful planet similar to earth called Marduk. The Mardukians had colonies on the earth and on Mars (if I am recalling this correctly), and the home planet was inadvertently blown up “by drilling.” So then the Mardukians who were stranded here couldn’t go home, so they worked out a way to mate with the primitive people then here, and the result is… us. And when we transition home, one of the enjoyable things that we can do is to visit the Mardukian area of the astral, where their culture is still going strong 🙂

      1. Yes, the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter is chock full of broken up rocks and debris, and clearly represents a broken up planet that many call Marduk. Many of the pictures sent back from the landscape on Mars show a strong possibility of an ancient civilization i.e. pyramids and symmetric shapes, so these could have been left behind from the colonies you mentioned.

        If there is a Mardukian astral plane, I would love to visit it, as I have a feeling that many of the ancient cultures and religions derived from it.

        1. Dear Lola, I don’t fully accept or teach the Marduk story, but I have seen evidence for it. For example, if we didn’t already understand the likeliest reason why both modern humans and ninety percent of all modern animal species apparently came into being together about 200,000 years ago, the explosion of Marduk and its abandoned colonies here then needing to mix with the subhuman locals in order to survive is a pretty good one. References in the Bible to “giants” and their mating with “the daughters of men.” Crude spaceships as part of ancient cave drawings. The fact that pyramids appeared all over the world at about the same ancient time. The whole thing seems to me to be a definite maybe!

          What I have long wondered about, though, is why the two-arms-two-legs design for humanoids seems to be so universal. Some other forms of intelligent life are reported, like intelligent pond scum on one planet and silica-based beings on another that move ve-e-ery slo-o-owly, but those seem to be exceptions. Does anyone else wonder how the classic humanoid form came about?

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