Posted by Roberta Grimes • October 29, 2022 • 20 Comments
Afterlife Research, Human Nature, Jesus, The Teachings of Jesus
“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in this same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”
– Jesus (MT 5:3-12), from The Sermon on the Mount, “The Beatitudes”
To prove to Jesus that I would be able to channel Liberating Jesus, my spirit guide developed in me a fascination with Thomas Jefferson. It wasn’t hard to do. That whole period of American history is charming beyond reason, and so much of it has been preserved in place that you can tour and enjoy it at your leisure. My Thomas wanted me to write a channeled account of Jefferson’s ten-year marriage, which conveniently spanned the Revolutionary War, and that book eventually became My Thomas. It is the finest piece of writing that I ever will do, and I can say that since it is Thomas’s work and not my own. But since Jefferson had been a slaveholder, before I would have anything to do with his book, I had first to do considerable research into better understanding his attitude and practice toward his slaves. And I ended up reading everything that Jefferson ever wrote before the aged of forty. It was a remarkable tour of the mind of a complex and undeniably brilliant man.
Thomas Jefferson inherited slavery, and with it he inherited more than two hundred slaves. He hated slavery, but he couldn’t do much about it while he was busy with farming and rearing his family, so his only practical option was to treat with kindness and respect all the slaves he had inherited. His farm became a cooperative effort, with a trusted slave as its manager. You and I have inherited a society that is similarly screwed up in lots of ways, and in America at least, history will judge us harshly for not altogether replacing our horrible criminal justice system and our decrepit system of public education. But that is not the subject of this post. Although I do admit to a fascination with Jefferson’s facility with words, at a time when highly educated gentlemen were dirt-farming on the edge of the continental forest as they tried at the same time to forge a nation. And what especially fascinates me about Jefferson is that you and I know why he was drawn to studying the Gospel words of Jesus, and we can wonder at the part that his personal relationship with Jesus played in the founding of the Republic. Knowing how close they were, I am sure that they consulted very often at night, even though the usual lifetime amnesia must have kept Jefferson himself from ever knowing that. I can see it in the gentle and courteous way that he treated his slaves, some of whom were his family members, and in the way that he changed what had always been the standard right to “life, liberty, and property” into “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” in the United States Declaration of Independence, and he thereby avoided giving support to slaveholders while he offered hope to slaves. He was a wordsmith without peer.
But what Jefferson and his generation were all about was gaining their own freedom, and sometimes that takes more than words. He was never good at fighting. He did poorly as a wartime governor of Virginia, and he was so careless of his personal safety that he was nearly captured several times. Writing about the way that he insisted on finishing a leisurely breakfast at Monticello as “Bloody Ban Tarleton” was even then riding into Charlottesville bent on his capture made for suspenseful reading, but I made none of that up. It seems apparent in the mild and egalitarian way that he lived his life that he was patterning it after the teachings of Jesus. Thomas Jefferson was one of the few Christians in history who have bothered to study the Gospel words closely. And in four languages, no less! Even though during his daily life as Jefferson, he clearly never knew why he made the Gospels such a focus.
In his inclination toward the Gospels, Thomas Jefferson reminds me of another of my favorite people. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was the greatest American of the twentieth century, and he rose to be that in significant part because he modeled his public life after the most difficult and confounding of Jesus’s teachings. Dr. King started out as a potential firebrand. Like Jefferson, he was a charismatic wordsmith. He was perfectly born for that time and place, and he could use words like no one else. And like Jefferson, he had studied the Gospels. The Lord said, “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak also” (MT 5:38-40). Those words shaped Dr. King. He found echoes of them in the teachings of Gandhi, but even as a little boy growing up the son of a Christian pastor, Dr. King’s inclination was toward peace.
There can have been no more obvious injustice than what was being perpetrated in the nineteen-sixties in the American south! We look at it now, at all the dual facilities from schools to drinking fountains based purely on the shade of people’s skin, and with all the facilities that were dictated for the descendants of slaves so obviously inferior as to break your heart, and we wonder that such conditions can have existed within living memory in the United States of America. If ever a cause deserved a righteous war, then Dr. King’s was that righteous cause.
The thing about being very young is that time is born whenever you are born. You have no sense of history. I grew up in the American north so I discovered racial wrongs on television, and at the same time I met Dr. King and his beautiful, mesmerizing voice. I fell in love with a righteous man and a truly righteous cause. And I fell hard. I have said before that I was raised in a place where I never saw a living person of any race but my own until I got to college. Which meant that my whole introduction to the racial problem came from lying on my tummy on my living room rug night after night. So where race is concerned, I was raised to be strongly on Dr. King’s side of it. And there I am to this day. I feel as Jesus does in wanting to abandon His pale church-Jesus image. The sooner we are all one race, the better. But that is not the intended topic of this post, either.
What I had hoped to address today, if I ever can get to it, is the overriding wisdom of pacifism. And what has put that topic in my mind is an insane story about two fathers playing chicken in their trucks on a highway, and they got one another so riled up that eventually one actually grabbed his handgun and shot at the other fellow’s truck. He hit the other guy’s young daughter in the leg. Which further infuriated that other driver, to the point where he also drew his handgun and shot at the first fellow’s truck, and he hit the first driver’s young daughter, also non-lethally. At which point they both pulled over, and they were deep into fisticuffs by the time the police arrived. This story is weeks old so I cannot tell you their state, but of course they were both arrested.
Jesus Himself could have told that story. It is a perfect example of the utter pointlessness of fighting. And lest you think the problem was that they both were armed, here is another recent road-rage situation, this one involving a knife, that was de-escalated by a passer-by who fortunately had a handgun. So, no, the problem was not the guns. The problem was that both drivers insisted to the point of insanity on being the one to deliver the last cheek-slap. That difficult-seeming but essential teaching of Jesus about turning the other cheek when one cheek is slapped is that it ends the violence. It begins the peace. You and your antagonist are brothers, no matter what might be causing the strife between you, and turning your other cheek lets you begin the peace right now. Because, how else does it end? It ends with two screaming children and two trucks with shot-out windows beside the road, and two fathers arrested. And all for nothing.
But let us now consider what the difference might be between Thomas Jefferson’s situation and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.’s situation. Why is it obvious to us that Thomas Jefferson and his friends should have fought the American Revolutionary War, while in Dr. King’s case his peaceful resistance was the better course? What was the difference between their situations?
As I think about it now, there was no difference. I have studied the American colonial period, and their rebellion was just willful brattiness before event piled fast upon event. If Great Britain had been prepared to handle those thirteen colonies with more grace the colonies would never have seen the need to unite, and peace could have been maintained, but a king does not turn his other cheek, not even metaphorically. What the colonies gained from their rebellion was a continent-wide nation with a well-thought-out Constitution where there would likely be several smaller countries today. But Canada and Australia were comparable situations, and they have also turned out well.
Dr. King’s was far the more righteous cause, and yet even when his enemies bombed his home with his wife and infant daughter inside it, still he turned his other cheek. As he said, and as Jesus might well have said, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” In order to have peace, we must be peace, in all things and in everything that we do. Dr. King was the greatest American of the twentieth century and one of the greatest people who ever lived because he truly lived the Gospel teachings of Jesus. He proved that when you are fighting for a righteous cause, then perfect love is your finest weapon.
The great tragedy of Christianity is that for the seventeen centuries of its existence, it has held within it the keys to creating a gloriously peaceful and loving world that could have become a literal heaven on earth. But Christianity has never shared those Gospel teachings as they should have been shared. Instead, Christianity has shared almost exclusively its man-made and frankly barbaric dogmas about Jesus having died to redeem us from its imagined cranky God’s imagined wrath, and a lot about our need to be “saved.” (Saved from what? Saved from a perfectly loving genuine God?) All of which bogus Christian fears, the abundant and consistent afterlife evidence now confirms for us are pure nonsense. What a gloomy and mostly human-made religion Roman Christianity has always been!
So, where were the Gospel teachings of Jesus in Christianity’s past seventeen hundred years? Why weren’t they always front-and-center? I was a Christian for more than fifty years. I heard a lot in church about the religion’s bogus and fear-based dogmas, but I hardly ever heard what Jesus taught. Love and forgiveness were preached to a limited extent, but they were posed as just-give-it-a-try suggestions. What I know about the Gospel teachings of Jesus came from studying them all on my own. Dr. King was a man whose pastor father reared him on the Gospel teachings of Jesus, including some teachings that seem to us to be somewhat hard to understand. And Dr. King took it all in as a child. Then when he grew up, he used the Lord’s teachings to transform the United States. And to begin the process of transforming the world.
“Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.”
– Jesus (MT 5:7-10), from “The Beatitudes”
20 thoughts on “Turn the Other Cheek”
There are two levels of analysis that differ in the realities they create for us as mortals. The Jews, as well as others despised by the Nazis, effectively turned the other cheek during the holocaust, as they were unarmed and unorganized when the mobs attacked them, and then as the Nazis hauled them like cattle to concentration camps where the were brutalized and gassed or shot dead. So, turning the other cheek is no sure path to peace here on Earth. But at another level of reality, upon being killed or dying from cold and starvation, they were then brought back to Heaven with such a contrast as to make their existence in Heaven appreciated and more enjoyable than before their brutalization here.
Re religion that characterizes God as mean spirited and so nasty that He would create all newborn as sinners needing redemption, and then satisfying Himself by having Christ tortured on the cross to save Mankind from the sins of their lineage and from sins of their own doing in life– I cannot fathom how intelligent folks do not realize just how wrong all of that twisted logic must be.
My conclusion from research is that we individually live with the potental for internal warfare, because our mortal body generates needs and wants (from what Freud handily defined as its instinctive Id), that conflicts with our souls conscience, despite otherwise having memory blocks of our Heavenly existence.
I do wonder that God permits our free will to have generated such great, dangerous misunderstandings about Himself and Jesus. Well, such misunderstanding does contribute to rich opportunities for spiritual growth while living our mortal lives. And our return to Heaven will be so much more appreciated and enjoyable by contrast with the vicissitudes and strife here.
Oh my goodness, dear beloved Jack, of course you can fight the Nazis by turning the other cheek! In fact, all of Europe was culpable in the Holocaust, and not the Nazis alone, because the “Christians” did not resist the Nazi exterminators.
Denmark is a classic example of how to turn the other cheek against overwhelming force. That little country is barely a pimple on the northern border of Germany, and the Nazis conquered it without firing a shot. Then they ordered all the Danish Jews to put on the Jewish star. So every Dane in Denmark put on the Jewish star. And while the Germans were sorting that out, by night the Danish fishing boats were ferrying the Danish Jews out to Sweden, and safety. The Danish people saved virtually all of the Danish Jews. How might things have been different if, all over Europe, people had all put on the Jewish star and all found ways to passively resist the extermination of the Jewish people instead of just shrugging and watching them die?
Dear Roberta, Yes, I totally agree with you! I’m currently reading a book (written by a Pacifist) called Human Smoke that describes various news articles and personal diary entries from many different points of view when Hitler started his madness. There were so many opportunities for all sorts of countries to just save the Jews and avoid a war. But man’s inhumanity to man ultimately won out as we know. That behaviour is truly the most horrendous thing in our beautiful world. There are days when it just seems so hopeless.
Oh my dear Brigitte, precisely!! Thank you!! And even the United States!! This country turned away at least one ship full of Jewish refugees who then ended up in concentration camps, to our everlasting shame. It would have cost us nothing. to take them in. But we did nothing.
But think of the risks that the people of tiny Denmark took. No resistance. Always smiling at the conquerors. Everybody wearing the star in the daytime. Fishing boats still fishing like nothing is going on. And night falls, and in every obscure inlet and island meeting-place, for weeks they were picking up their human cargo.
But the point of my post is not the Nazis! The point is that what ever the evil is, THIS is the way that you fight it. Really, it’s the only way that you CAN fight it. Think of Dr. King, rushing home when they told him his house had been bombed with his family inside it. Fortunately, the damage was minor, but when something like that happens you tell the crowd to lay down their arms. If you are FDR, you welcome those Jewish refugees and you don’t send away their ship. If you are every country in Europe, every citizen puts on the Jewish star without even thinking twice about it. We ALL turn the other cheek!
The people of Denmark were outstanding in their humanism to their Jewish citizens and resident Jewish refugees, during the Nazi occupation of Denmark. As you say Roberta, many Danes put themselves at great risk by ferrying Jews to neutral Sweden during WW2.
Truly after occupation, the Nazis allowed the Danes to run Denmark for them, as the Danish people were ‘brother Aryans.’ The local citizens took a softer stance on being occupied by their fascist southern neighbour. Thus, they managed to lull the Nazis into a false sense of security, concerning Danish acceptance of occupation. However on the quiet, the Danes detested Nazism and saw Jewish Danes as fellow citizens and countrymen. They simply couldn’t stomach the mandatory persecution slated for some of their countrymen, who were to be singled out from the rest so ruthlessly.
Denmark was occupied in April 1940, but it was not until September 1943 that the Nazis took direct control of the Danish state. The occupiers grew ever more savage, as the Danish Government had continued to quietly flout Nazi policy. They hadn’t: located and listed Jewish people; confiscated their homes and assets; removed them from educational and national institutions; withdrawn them from employment or committed them to slave labor. The Danes had become passive resisters of the Reich. So everything changed from September 1943.
It so happened that the Nazis had then decided to ‘evacuate’ the Danish Jews directly, and send them to Eastern Europe for ‘resettlement’. Luckily, a little before September was underway, the German navel attaché to Denmark became aware of the October Nazi operation to do just that. He told his Danish friends, who then informed the Danish Government and citizens. They in turn warned their Jewish neighbors. Swiftly, the Danes hatched on a plan to ferry their Jews to freedom en masse. What was happening in small numbers suddenly became a major endeavor; It became a national emergency undertaken on a large scale at great speed. And they actually did it. They succeeded to get most people out of danger. No other Nazi occupied nation achieved anything like it, anywhere in Europe.
Miraculously the Danes managed to ferry most of their 7,500 Jews to Sweden safely. They successfully got 7,200 Jews away from Nazi hands before the slated evacuation operation had started. The sheer audacity of the Danish rescue was staggering, and it was made more so by the fact that had the heroes been caught, it would have meant execution of whole families, even entire communities.
The thing is, everyone saved the Jewish people together. The Danish Royal family, the Government and the everyday folk pulled all this off by working in unison every step of the way.
Even today, the heroism of the Danes is remembered and retold by Jewish people to their children; It is passed down from generation to generation.
Had the Danes chosen uprising against their occupiers at the outset, they would not have been able to achieve anything for either ethnic Danes or Jewish Danes. Instead, they achieved things not possible anywhere else, including well established lines of movement in and out of Sweden, for the Resistance to be in regular contact with the Allies beyond. ❣️🙏🏼🚤⛵️⚓️
My dear Efrem, thank you for telling all of us the whole story! I heard it as a tiny tot in the Danish immigrant community in Worcester, Massachusetts, although much abridged. Those Danish immigrants were so proud of what their people had achieved! And their grandchildren – like yours truly – grew up to feel proud, too, and to feel like responsible defenders of all the Jewish communities in the world, even now that we are grandparents in our turn.
But your point is so well taken. Alone, any one of them could have done nothing. But as a united front, that whole country could all turn its other cheek, and without arms or any defenses at all they could save nearly all of their helpless countrymen.
Dear Roberta. This is one of those areas I have found most vexing. There is the principle of do no harm, but also of allow no harm. Sometimes one can accomplish the latter the way the Danes did, sometimes it takes something more like the fellow you mentioned above whose gun prevented the knife fight. This reminds me of when you blogged on pacifism a few years back. You wrote about a man named Bonhoeffer, who was a blanket pacifist, and wound up dying in a Nazi prison. At that time, my guides put the name Neibur, with whom I was not familiar,
into my mind, and when I looked him up it turned out he was a contemporary of Bonhoeffer, and had also started out as a pacifist, but wound up taking a more nuanced position, especially with respect to the 2nd world war. As I recall, Neibur was an influence on MLK as well, in addition to Gandhi. Gandhi’s approach worked for MLK’s civil rights quest, but in other situations, one may need to bring the gun to the knife fight. I think the key would be to act in a sense of love and forgiveness, even if sometimes some force is required, rather than a sense of hatred and vengefulness. Imagine how our criminal justice, and even educational systems would change with that approach. Absolute minimum necessary force must always be the goal. When we understand the bigger spiritual picture that becomes much easier, because there is no fear or material attachment to cloud perceptions or responses. We feel no need to escalate things, like the lugheads in the pickup trucks – ie we turn the other cheek. I hope this makes some kind of sense. I received a fun poem recently that seems appropriate. I enjoyed the overlapping layers of meaning.
Holy holy holy, be,
In your heart, see.
Oh my dear Scott, I had forgotten that post, but here it is for those who haven’t seen it: https://robertagrimes.com/jesus/a-saint-for-today. Dr. Bonhoeffer literally sacrificed himself for others in a Nazi concentration camp at the age of 39, and what an extraordinary man he was!
And you are right in saying that in this very different time, drawing a gun can be the equivalent of turning the other cheek in that it ends the conflict and begins the peace, which is the point.
I think I feel so strongly about this topic as I work on the scripts for teachingsbyjesus.com, and as The Fun of Loving Jesus goes to press (should be on sale within two weeks), because I have come gradually to see Jesus as the victim of a great injustice. He is the most famous person in the world 2000 years after His death. True enough. But almost nobody actually knows what He should be famous FOR! Seriously! If you ask the average person what Jesus did, you hear that He died for our sins. Which is not true. Effectively, His name was hijacked by the religion and His teachings are now being ignored. And I feel indignant about that!
Hi Roberta, When I read,’Turn thr\\ Other Cheek’ps -my computer won’t delete.I thought oh no: I have been turning all my life!
Not for any reason thatLIwas afraid.I can walk away, but my heart is angry.
In college, I took the course,Religion and the Quest for Peace.
A priest taught it. Bonhoffer wrote, In Silent Witness:he was amazing.The Danes were never mentioned;what a wonderful
deed!Paul Tillich wrote ,The Courage To Be; there was a phrase
Axis Mundi”. It was your favorite seat, where you were most com-
fortable. I took it literally and sat in the same seat all semester!
It makes me sad that the Teachings have been ignored for long.
You really have to immerse yourself with Jesus. No gaps. Erica
Oh my dear Erica, I do understand that need to be comfortable! And please know that everyone has your uneasiness, even those who seem to be the most comfortable; but they just have learned to better cope with it.
When Thomas and Jesus told me that He wanted me to do a website for Him – and they said it together, two voices – I was somewhat freaked out, because you don’t say no to Jesus but at the same time He really has no idea what it is like on earth now. He just knows that He is popular, and I believe that He thought at first that a website is something like a shop. We can set up shop, put up a sign with His name on it, people will come, and He can teach them there. He even experimented with answering questions through me, which worked fine. I haven’t been allowed to remember any more meetings, but I did attend some of the meetings that Thomas had with Him to convince Him that it wouldn’t be quite that simple. Now we have it down to a website with just His teachings alone. You wouldn’t believe how much ignorance there is about Jesus’s teachings! And at last I am beginning to make sense of His life, and why He lives as He does. He has been horrified to see that every advanced being has gradually lost all contact with humanity, but Jesus has never lost His love for people so He has been eager to keep His human touch and my Thomas has been instrumental in His effort at doing that. I have done pretty extensive research. I think that Jesus may be literally the only Being who has made this choice!
Hi Roberta, I hope you can help me to understand this.
You said that Jesus has no idea what life is like on Earth right now.
I talk to Jesus and if he hears and listens, why does he not understand how life is now? If Jesus is ‘ God’ and millions talk/pray to him, how does he not know the circumstances of life today? I am not being disrespectful to Jesus at all, I just want to understand his true relationship to us .
Oh my dear Maggie, you simply cannot imagine how it feels to be in the astral plane, where everything is love! The air that you breathe is love. And then, on top of that to add Jesus’s own personal energy, which is so elevated. He has not experienced the earth’s gritty negativity for 2000 years. You can tell Him, and He can empathize, but He cannot immerse Himself in the earth’s heavy negativity nor all the sorry details of what it feels like to actually be here. Even our spirit guides can’t get the full experience.
What an interesting answer, Roberta:
Reading this one can get the sense of a markedly different & better astral reality, than our supposed reality here on Earth. It feels as if life is lived fully in the astral and afterlife levels, whereas this world is but a dull dream.
In such a case how could Our Jesus being so high, really experience the earth now as we do? Full empathy like no other, yes. But the pensive, gritty and sharp modern human-lived experience, perhaps not so much.. 🙏🏼❣️🌅
I had been musing about attaining a complete pacifist society, which seemed to me pretty much unattainable. Most of us would see what a wonderful thing a pacifist society would be, but there would always be a remnant that wouldn’t but would pry on the rest of us.
However, I had been reading “Conversations with Nostradamus” by Dolores Cannon whose translation of Century 1-67 has a quatrain that goes as follows: The great famine which I sense approaching will often turn (in various areas) then become worldwide. It will be so vast and long-lasting that (they) will grab roots from the trees and children from the breast,
In the process of translation, ab intermediary, Brenda, was enlisted. Brenda added He (Nostradamus) says these events must be lived through if we are to attain the ultimate we’ll be working toward. If we survive all these bad events, then afterwards, we will truly be a pacifist people, a peaceful people. And our philosophy will have change sufficiently so this part of our path will be different, and we will go along a holistic path rather than a technological path.”
How many of us would pay such a terrible price to achieve the goal? I think not many. I hope the translation is wrong.
My dear Cookie, I don’t subscribe to the predictions of Nostradamus. There have been repeated predictions of worldwide famine and lack, most recently in the nineteen-sixties, but God wins, every time. However, the only way to achieve worldwide peace is to spread the teachings of Jesus worldwide and thereby bring the kingdom of God on earth, which will enable us all to raise our vibrations sufficiently.
We are all one mind, so if even ten percent of humankind truly began this process, it would jump-start the process for us all. We do know of one planet – Arcturus – where the process of spiritual has been completed for an entire species of humanoids. And we can get there as well!
I’ve looked into many prophecies of the future. I began with Nostradamus in my teens. And while someone’s predictions are sometimes spot on, there are others that clearly don’t work out as described. (Even the Sleeping Prophet, Edgar Cayce, had an incomplete strike rate.)
Perhaps the future really is unformed (from our human point of view) and events can move away from what seers foresaw in their time. Then there is Divine succor, or intervention as we know it, from behind the scenes.
For example, the projections of world famine in the 1960s did not eventuate. Instead great scientific advances into increased crop yields were made. These advances once deployed widely in the field, gave humanity abundant yields never before imagined.
Who revealed to us such invention at such a crucial time? I wonder 😉🌅🌿🌾
Oh yes, my beautiful Efrem, such bounty as we have now was scarcely ever imagined then! And not just in crop yields, but also in new discoveries of minerals and petroleum yields, to an extent that we had not ever imagined. I recall all the predictions of coming lack, and I look around at our present bounty. It a is truly amazing.
Hi again, Roberta,
I read,”The History of the United States’ by Howard Zinn: he tells it like it was.
In addition to shunning the ship, we asked a lot of Nazi scientists over to work on bombs, the ones that used human beings as guinea pigs.
One of my favorite books is, ‘Crime and Punishment”–the saddest thing is he
didn’t have to do it. The books were in the mail!
Jesus is in the mail!!! We can be good and do good to welcome Him
and act on his Teachings. He’s in the mail!
Oh my dear Erica, it truly is the great tragedy of Christianity that the religion hasn’t shared the teachings of Jesus, when it could so easily have done that! And the fact that it hasn’t done it makes no sense, really. I scratch my head over it. The churches talk more about Paul than they do about Jesus. It really is amazing.
I want to answer here a bit further what Efrem said on November 4th. It really is interesting to see the extent to which all the astral beings, including our deal beloved Jesus, are naive about the conditions on earth. They are so used to living immersed in love, and the whole notion of living in negativity is so foreign to them! Negativity is simply the water in which we swim, but that isn’t true of them. Even our spirit guides are to a considerable extent shielded from it. They consider us to be very brave indeed, that we even come here at all!