Posted by Roberta Grimes • May 03, 2025 • 9 Comments
Jesus, The Teachings of Jesus, Understanding Reality
Oh Lord, my God,
When I, in awesome wonder,
Consider all the worlds Thy hands have made,
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder,
Thy power throughout the universe displayed,
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
And when I think that God, His Son not sparing,
Sent Him to die, I scarce can take it in.
That on the cross, my burden gladly bearing,
He bled and died to take away my sin,
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
– Stuart Keene Hine (1899-1989), from “How Great Thou Art” (1949)
This beautiful frame-hymn expresses in two primary stanzas the impossible conundrum that lies at the heart of the entire Christian religion. Christianity teaches us that the genuine God is infinitely powerful and loves each of us completely! And yet, Christianity also teaches us that God is flat unable to forgive us for even our most trivial sins unless God first receives the sin-sacrifice of God’s Own Son’s brutal crucifixion. Having recently graduated from majoring in early Christian history in college not long before I took my Catholic conversion lessons in preparation for my marriage (which marriage has, with God’s help, lasted for fifty-two years now and counting), I naturally had a lot of trouble accepting this paradoxical set of teachings. And yet, back then, I was going to have to accept the Catholic certainty that an infinitely loving God still needs that sacrifice or God cannot forgive us, or else I could not convert to Catholicism. No Catholic conversion would have meant no marriage to my Edward, and I was so very much in love! So, I crossed my fingers behind my back, and I lied to the priest. Fortunately, God didn’t seem to mind. Then for decades thereafter, I tried my best to be a good Catholic for my husband’s sake.
This impossible conundrum remains at the heart of the Christian religion, even today. Here is a Quora answer given to that same key unanswerable question that nearly wrecked my marriage. It was given by someone who clearly never has read the Gospel words of Jesus! The question someone asked was precisely the same question that the priest who converted me to Catholicism fifty years ago could not answer for me. Someone asked, “Why did God send His Son to die for our sins, when God has infinite power so He could just have outright forgiven us?” I will not embarrass the responder, who presumably has Christian credentials, by giving you her name. But her long and absurd answer to the questioner on Quora was this:
“God does not have the power to just say ‘we are all forgiven.’ Why not? Because God does not have the power to deny the standard of justice He Himself put in place. He cannot deny Himself. Ever. Forgiveness must meet God’s perfect standard of justice and forgiveness must be extended from that upon which it is based. So, on what is forgiveness based? Saying I am sorry? No. Neither is forgiveness just handed out all willy-nilly from a place of sentimentality. God’s four cardinal attributes are love, power, justice, and wisdom. Neither comes before or after the other. They are all perfectly balanced. Power never trumps wisdom. Love never trumps justice. Do you see? To simply hear us say “I’m sorry daddy,” and then pat us on the bottom and give us an indulgent smile is a gross violation of God’s perfect justice. And it is far removed from any application of wisdom. There is absolutely no justice in forgiving people all willy-nilly. Sending a perfect human man met all the requirements. It is mind-boggling how smart Jehovah God is.”
What is wrong with this answer? Well, everything. But most of all, it comes from a purely human way of thinking. It has nothing whatsoever to do with anything that God ever says in the Old Testament, or that the Apostle Paul writes in the New Testament; and much more importantly, it ignores altogether everything that Jesus says to us in the Gospels. I am pretty well versed in basic Christian theology, and I cannot recall ever reading any place where this responder could have gotten her answer there, either, although it may be some variation of obscure thinking in some odd Christian sub-sect or other. But the very notion that God might artificially limit God’s Own native ability to infinitely, perfectly love and forgive us, and – worse – the idea that God’s doing that might be necessary to “perfect” God’s justice, is never imagined anywhere in any version of Christian Scripture with which I am aware. It never is even considered by Jesus in the Biblical Gospels, and it belies Jesus’s mercy given to the thief hanging beside Him on the cross.
In fact, this woman’s foolish answer is the ultimate reductio ad absurdum of all of Christian theology. And as you read her answer again, you will come to see why that is true. In a reality which is composed of and created by infinitely powerful Consciousness, a reality where there is no place where God is not, you and I are profoundly safe! We live within Consciousness, which means that God is where you and I forever live and move and have our being. We are taking these brief, elective earth-lives now, and while we do that we accept amnesia for what came before these lives; but still, we are living securely within the Mind of God, And for God to create any kind of law which mandates that we are somehow beyond God’s direct forgiveness, mercy, and perfect love would be outside God’s Consciousness, and therefore impossible. Or if God actually did create such a law as this woman describes, which would require God to limit Godself to “four cardinal attributes” rather than just unbounded love, which is the highest Consciousness vibration, then God would be playing some sort of sadistic mind-game with us, which would make God less than what God is. So, again: impossible. No, we can believe what Jesus has told us about God’s infinite, perfect love for us. Within God, there is no negativity at all, beyond the minute negativity that our own puny human minds might ever briefly create.
So, I have come at length to accept the fact that human-created religions are in fact now, and indeed they always have been the direct enemy of our each having a free and open relationship with the genuine God. And I cannot see any way around that fact. My very dear friends, I write these sentences with considerable personal pain, because I love Christianity. I always have loved Christianity, as much as I feel the need on occasion to argue some of the theological details of it. But the hymns, the pageantry, the stained-glass windows? I still love it all! However, religions of every stripe have a long and chequered human existence, having begun defensively in the minds of fearful men in very long-ago prehistory. At first, religions were a way to conjure up imaginary gods that we might placate as people tried to make sense of the scary and incomprehensible void that was all that they could perceive around them. And to this day, the religions that people create still carry the same awful characteristics that for the most part they have had since their beginnings. For example:
Speaking of Jesus, where does He fit in with all this talk of traditional religions? Well, actually, in point of fact, Jess does not fit in very well at all. Instead, Jesus is deeply and profoundly radical. He came to us from the genuine Godhead not to start yet one more religion; but instead, a strong argument can be made that Jesus came to us to end all religions. Jesus came to introduce to you and me the fact that there is in fact a personally knowable God of all Who would prefer to relate to each of us without any fallible human religions in the way, a Spiritual God Who loves us perfectly, and Who must not be feared! And Jesus did this, mind you, at a time and place when and where for Him to openly suggest that He meant quite literally to reinvent our whole view of the reality in which we lived could have had Him arrested and killed for that alone. No Christian church, and certainly no Catholic church will tell you that was what Jesus told us that He actually had in mind!
I can recall when I was a teenager, and I was first doing my exercise of reading the Bible from cover to cover, over and over, by reading just a few pages each night. I would finish the Book of Malachi, which is the final book of the Protestant Old Testament, the words of a minor prophet written four hundred years before Jesus was born. And then, amazingly, at once I would be deep in the words of Jesus in the Gospel Book of Matthew. And, Omigod, I would at once be reading the teachings of Someone who in every way is a thoroughly modern Man.
This contrast between the Old Testament and the advent of Jesus, with no bridge and no break in between, always keenly astounded me. Is it possible that Jesus Himself hit His timeline contemporaries on earth in much the same radical way? It wasn’t even precisely what He said, but even the way He said everything was so different! After so many months of reading Old Testament stories and prophets, we then zipped forward in time instantly by two thousand years. I found that wrenching and remarkable, even as a child bent on reading the whole Bible through. It is only very recently, though, that I have come to risk, with Thomas’s prompting, really looking at all of this evidence so frankly.
Jesus was born on earth as our Teacher. That much, the Christian religion understands and accepts. But how might Jesus’s original Way have developed if it had been allowed to continue as Jesus first created it, and as it so very robustly began, without any of the fear-based dogmas that Constantine and any of the later Roman Councils added to it? Let’s consider that idea next week….
When Christ shall come, with shout of acclamation,
And take me home, what joy shall fill my heart!
Then I shall bow, in humble adoration,
And then proclaim, my God, how great Thou art!
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
Then sings my soul, my Savior God to Thee,
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
How great Thou art, how great Thou art!
– Stuart Keene Hine (1899-1989), from “How Great Thou Art” (1949)
(Many photos are from Vecteezy.com)
My mother said something like this when I asked that question. I wonder where she heard it. she was one of those people who wanted to “fit in” so she’d find a way to accept just about anything whether it made sense or not. this would have been in the late 60s or early 70s.
Wow, my dear Lorie! Very few people were thinking this way back then, so your dear mother was wide beyond her years. This whole notion had seized my mind only because it was my college major, and I had a professor for whom it was her obsession.
Dearest Roberta,
Whenever I read the words of Brother Jesus I find them to be so ‘personal,’ like a one-to-one conversation framed in unaffected, modern parlance. I also find Him quite ‘radical.’ And to the highly ritualized religion of His day, that way of speaking (not to mention His actual teachings) would have challenged every self-important, clerical ego in the country.
Jesus’ Light revealed the emptiness and spiritual bankruptcy of religious officialdom. His Presence made the clerics seem small and petty. Many everyday people listened to and followed Jesus, which must have made the priests and religious lawyers feel increasingly more irrelevant as time went on.. Therefore Jesus’ belittling exposure of the ruling clergy must have brought out their visceral hatred and viciousness against Him in spades.
His treatment by negative people was bad enough. Yet Jesus also had to endure Christianity’s distortion of His Teachings; they were forced into the twisted confines of religious Church doctrines. Hence generations of heartfelt Christians were taught guilt, fear and the ever-present possibility of eternal damnation.
Roberta, your blog this week has made me feel outrage for what Jesus and His Church followers have endured through the centuries. Such cruel negativity was mercilessly inflicted on folks for so long.
I don’t know which is worse: Jesus torture and crucifixion or the twisting of His Teachings that inflicted guilt and fear on His followers for more than one millennium.
I am aware that fear and guilt keep our vibrations down, and our hearts are unable to expand to our perfect Love potential. And I marvel at Jesus who greets and heals Christians newly arrived in the afterlife; each and every one of them.
Talk about Perfect Love! It’s love that moved Him to go and find the one lost sheep and bring it back to the flock. It’s love that brought the thief on the cross next to Him to paradise. It’s love that bids us to join Him in Heaven once this earth life is done.
I reckon if you look closely you can see it: Jesus has already shown us, through His example that it’s all about Perfect Love and not about sin, fear and punishment. ❣️🙏🏼🕊️
Dearest Roberta;
I have always thought that I loved Christianity too; the beautiful hymns that ring through my head still, the familiar rituals, the pageantry, and beautiful regalia worn by the priests and bishops, and yes, the stained-glass windows in the amazing cathedrals and churches which are so mesmerizing. Yet still in all my years of attendance in either Catholic or Protestant buildings, that is not where I nourished my relationship with Jesus, because I was always left with feelings of sadness or confusion, or guilt and shame. My questions were never answered adequately, because I could not believe that in each church I attended, theirs was the right way, the correct doctrine, and the truth, and everyone else was excluded because they didn’t believe. And I was told I was wrong or just imagining things when I spoke to spirits. That is of the ‘devil.’ So, I withdrew and stopped sharing. (But I never stopped talking to them!) I just love how you are talking to us (in zoom meetings), and then break out and start talking to Thomas. How reassuring that he is always there for you. Thank you for helping guide me/us to recognize the way that Jesus taught, which has lifted the burden off of my shoulders I’ve carried around since I was a child. In my world, nuns were quite adept at reminding their young charges that there was no place in heaven for sinners, with a swift smack to the head or knuckles with a thick ruler. The committed sins being quite comical in my adult mind today, which included writing left-handed, lifting your head off your desk during nap time, forgetting to genuflect before the alter. Frankly, I didn’t even know what genuflect meant in first grade. I am truly happy for those whose hearts and minds are fulfilled in their Christian church, but my relationship with Jesus and spirit have expanded exponentially in the year that you have shared with us Jesus’s simple but radical teachings which are so comforting. I am no longer fearful for my future but reassured having finally put to rest the distortions and dogmas that plague all of us who seek God in a Christian church but come away feeling hurt, lost, or angry. My husband is fond of saying about particular churches, “Well Jesus was not there.” And tapping his heart, he says “Jesus is here.” So, I cannot really say, I miss Christianity, per say, because I have always known Jesus, my teacher, my friend and confidant, who also gave us spirit to comfort and counsel us. Thank you for continuing to be a disciple and teacher for Jesus. You are truly a blessing to this world.
Oh my dear so wonderful Lynnette, you have made my Thomas smile as we read your comment, and he almost never smiles. And you have reminded me why I do what I do! Yes, my beautiful darling, Jesus infinitely and perfectly loves you just as you are, and I am so glad you have a husband who can support you in knowing that! We are sending you the biggest hug!! 🙂
Oh, my dear much-beloved Efrem, Jesus really resents nothing, ever, which so completely amazes me. But He has no ego at all! Nothing whatsoever but love. And it’s even individual love, so when He looks at you He makes you feel as if you are the most important person there is. Truly, to be with Him is the most overwhelming high there is!
“Speaking of Jesus, where does He fit in with all this talk of traditional religions? Well, actually, in point of fact, —-Jess—- does not fit in very well at all. Instead,”
should be —-Jesus—- 🙂 Love you! Thanks so much Roberta.
Thank you, Adam! Heh…or maybe we’ll just call Him “Jess” for short….
Why was there sacrifice in the temple in the Old Testament?
Why did the hebrews have to sacrifice?